POLL: What is the Most Dangerous Aspect of Prospect Park's Drives?

After the most recent accident, where a bicyclist hit a pedestrian and she was placed in a medically induced coma, and the DOT's installation of a crosswalk, questions still linger.

Park Slope Patch wants you to weigh in on what is the gravest danger on the drives in Prospect Park.

Almost all of the attendees of the on Nov. 16 opposed cars in the park, but the current issue at hand is that and . There have been two serious life-altering injuries caused bicyclists hitting pedestrians since this summer. 

Submit your vote in the poll below!

Carla November 30, 2011 at 03:23 PM
Scott Kochman November 30, 2011 at 03:56 PM
1. In New York City, four pedestrians were killed in bike-pedestrian accidents from 2001-2005. From 2006-2010, while cycling in the city doubled, three pedestrians were killed in such accidents. 2. More pedestrians lost their lives in traffic than any other category of victim: 151 pedestrians were killed by traffic in 2010, five fewer than the year before. Yep! It's the bikes!
Carla November 30, 2011 at 04:11 PM
Careful, Scott. With that kind of reasoned logic you're bound to drive Rick Oshea insane. Must he have to explain everything to you people?
Rick Oshea November 30, 2011 at 04:30 PM
Scott-Your figures here address accidents in the streets. Not in the park. And bike proponents have demanded that those incidents be addressed. There was a huge outcry when a biker was hit in Prospect Heights. Action was demanded. (Although the biker was running a red light and darted out in front of the truck). Transportation Alternatives raised a huge outcry to arrest the trucker who hit and killed a biker in WIlliamsburg. (I haven't heard Transportation Alternatives demanding punishment for the bikers in the park who hit people). Such dangers are the rationale for bike lanes. This article is about safety in the park. Four people were injuried two very seriously by bikes. Stop changing the subject. It seems to me that if you feel that dangers on the street should be addressed you should be equally concerned that dangers in the park be addressed.
Rick Oshea November 30, 2011 at 04:32 PM
So Carla let's just ignore the incidents in the park right? That's reasoned logic.
Rick Oshea November 30, 2011 at 04:34 PM
Bikers hit pedestrians. Solution- GET CARS OUT OF THE PARK NOW>"Nice reasoned logic". And if you read my posts I am for getting cars out of the park. It's just athat that doesn't slove this problem.
Chicken Underwear November 30, 2011 at 04:35 PM
Rick Oshea Members of Transportation Alternatives are present at the Prospect Park Road Safety Task Force meeting. The are an active part of a group of people trying to make Prospect Park safer.
Rick Oshea November 30, 2011 at 04:44 PM
OK chicken, 1. Here is the quote from the previous Patch article- "the Department of Transportation made some changes to West Drive to help alert drivers and bicyclists of the pedestrian crosswalk near Wellhouse Drive and reduce speed. The changes include a new “highly visible” crosswalk and narrowing the two-lane road to one lane with orange traffic barrels near the the area Cohen was struck." The barrels and the repainted crosswalk were done in response to the accident. There was a police check point at that crosswalk on Saturday where five police officers forced bikers to stop for the redlight and to allow pedestrains to cross. I talked to the police officers. They said it was in response to the woman who was hit there and the little child that was hit there the next day. 2. I have addressed that over and over here. Have police monitor at random times and give tickets for reckless bikers. You're not going to like this but bikers maybe bikers should be licensed and have a visible license plate. You hate that don't you? ANd there could be cameras just like there are at intersections on the streets outside the park. There you go.
Chicken Underwear November 30, 2011 at 04:54 PM
Rick Oshea, Requiring bikers to get license and license plates is about as likely as building bridges over the crosswalks in Prospect Park. So lets stick with reality. Random police enforcement will work as much as it does for keeping drivers off their cell phones. The reality is that this is the time to change to rules to something that is enforceable and makes sense for all the users of the park. People using Prospect Park to work out on their bikes are users of the park too!
Carla November 30, 2011 at 05:04 PM
Rick, stop changing the subject. It seems to me that if you feel that dangers in the park should be addressed you should be equally concerned that dangers on the street be addressed.
Rick Oshea November 30, 2011 at 05:56 PM
Carla- regarding your post- "Rick, stop changing the subject. It seems to me that if you feel that dangers in the park should be addressed you should be equally concerned that dangers on the street be addressed. PLEASE stop changing the subject. This post and the two previous ones are about incidents of bikers hitting pedestrians in the park. That is what should be addressed here. And you continue to change the subject. It is such nonsense.
Rick Oshea November 30, 2011 at 06:25 PM
Just to be clear Carla I meant to say articles rather than posts. If you go to the top of the page you will see a headline that says-"What is the Most Dangerous Aspect of Prospect Park's Drives?" I addressed that headline. It does not say anything about the city at large. If there was a reported epidemic of danger in the streets I would respond to THAT article and address that issue. And as I have said over and over to talk about that in response to this article is to change the subject. Let's address the issue at hand. Or is that not "reasoned logic"?
Chicken Underwear November 30, 2011 at 06:28 PM
"The design of the drives is the most dangerous factor. The roads were not made for cars, bicycles and pedestrians to share." If we take the cars out of the mix we can come up with rules that biker and walkers will understand and follow.
Rick Oshea November 30, 2011 at 06:49 PM
Wow you just won't let go of that bone. You are a tenacious terrier.
Rick Oshea November 30, 2011 at 06:50 PM
A biker hit a walker.
Chicken Underwear November 30, 2011 at 06:55 PM
Were you there?
Rick Oshea November 30, 2011 at 07:06 PM
Oh that's right there is the possibiity that the walkers leaped onto the bikers. I forgot. I have seen pedestrians tucked into the foliage laying in wait to pounce on unsuspecting bikers.
Chicken Underwear November 30, 2011 at 07:19 PM
I myself have stepped in front of bikes. It is not that hard. 3 or 4 people out for a run and I wanted to get to my friends right. I stepped right into the bike lane. I almost got hit. It would have been my fault. But I guess you are the kind of guy that blames the car driver because a drunk wonders in front of his car on the BQE, But seriously, you repeated statement of "enforce the law" is just going to make a bad situation worse.
Rick Oshea November 30, 2011 at 07:23 PM
You're right. Enforcing laws is always a bad idea.
Chicken Underwear November 30, 2011 at 07:50 PM
I see you like to deal in absolutes. Does it make sense that the traffic lights change from red to green when there are no cars in the park? Now is the time to make better laws that make sense to get enforced
Robert December 01, 2011 at 02:14 PM
Millie, Take a walk on any of the WALKING paths around the park. The drive is set up for joggers and runners. You are going to be in there way, force them into the bike lane. The problem is not the bikers but those who are so self-centered as to feel that their activity is all that is important. Bikes are dangerous for rider and pedestrians alike. you choose to "stroll" among them, pay attention and accommodate their activity.
Robert December 01, 2011 at 02:22 PM
Rick, The park and its 3.5 mile wide and protected roadway IS the "Velodrome" for the public. Riders cannot and should not bike flat out on the city streets but should be able to exercise to their hearts content in a park with a bike loop. I have lived in the slope for 20 years and never had a problem crossing the drive. I sometimes have to wait for traffic but a little care gets me across. If you ticket riders then you should put up cameras and give tickets to pedestrians for not looking both ways...
Rick Oshea December 01, 2011 at 03:54 PM
Robert you keep hititng the same weak note. First of all the park drive was NOT meant to be a velodrome. It is very self entitled of you to think that it is. The very nature of a park is to have a place to go to get away from the hectic pace of the city. Olmstead was not looking to have a velodrome in the park. If that's your thinking why can't the cars have a race track. And most importantly while you say that pedestrians should stick to the walkways in the park they have to cross the velodrome to get there. And for that matter bikers ride on those paths that you say are for pedestrians. Enough of this nonsense. Thank god the police are apparnetly going to be more sensible than you and crack down on bad bikers.
Rick Oshea December 01, 2011 at 03:55 PM
Oh and another thing Robert, yousay you have crossed the park for twenty years and never had a problem. Tell that to the four victims that have precipitated these articles.
Martin December 01, 2011 at 03:59 PM
Why are cars allowed in the park at all? Crazy! Get them out and then do something to make the rest of the rules make sense!!!!!
Rick Oshea December 01, 2011 at 04:03 PM
Sure let's get cars out of the park. As far as rules that make sense we have them. And now the police say they are going to enforce them. Let's hope so.
Rick Oshea December 01, 2011 at 06:57 PM
Well I see the poll presented herre shows that since it was posted voters consistently have siad the problem is bicyclists. By a fair margin too. I am glad to see there is more sense out there than these posts would indicate.
Martin December 01, 2011 at 08:00 PM
You're right, Rick. 238 people in a non-scientific, self-selected Internet poll in which one may vote multiple times should have the final say. Compared to the 2 million people who use the park every year, I think using a poll on a relatively new and small local blog is a great way to gauge problems and potential solutions. How do we know it wasn't just you voting 200 times? If the majority said that cars need to go, I have a feeling you'd dismiss this poll and cry about the real issue being bikes.
Chicken Underwear December 01, 2011 at 08:16 PM
Yea, The real, thought out decision making process is going on at a higher level than this. The The Prospect Park Road Sharing Taskforce is considering more things than "Racing bikes are bad, enforce the law!"
Judith January 07, 2012 at 01:28 PM
A few comments: 1. Park roads are currently designed to primarily accommodate cars--even though that's not their primary use. The park drives are unable to safely accommodate the shared use because of the focus on accommodating commuting cars. 2. Few bikes exceed 25 mph in the park. Virtually all cars do. 3. The worst car offenders in the park are off-duty police officers. Any car you see illegally using the transverses or drives going 40-50 mph with flashing lights is an off-duty police officer. Stop them--and they will tell you. Yesterday, one literally attempted to run me over. 4. It is impossible to make the park safe for non-car users given the ongoing abuse of the park by our police officers from all surrounding precincts. 5. Brooklyn borough president, Marty Markowitz, will block any and all efforts to have cars banned from the park. 6. Car drivers are blatantly absent from the Road Sharing Taskforce. Marty supposedly represents them. It is because of the need to maintain the drives for car use that the park remains such a shambles for mixed use. Their voice needs to be heard on the taskforce. 7. Recently, 60 tickets were given to cyclists in a 3 week period in the park. During that same period, how many tickets were given to cars? 8. Cyclists being ticketed at this point are bike commuters riding counter clockwise in the park--not the speeding pellatons. Ticketing is doing nothing to solve the problems of the park.


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