Should Park Slope Be a Slow Zone?
A slow zone, installed by the Department of Transportation, reduces the speed limit in an area from 30 miles per hour to 20.
Do cars whiz by too fast in Park Slope? Is 30 miles per hour too high of a speed limit for our streets?
A Neighborhood Slow Zone is a community-based program, installed by the Department of Transportation, that reduces the speed limit from 30 miles per hour to 20 miles per hour and also adds safety measures within the designated area.
The slow zone will be designated by signs and gateways. The zone will include traffic-calming and speed-reducing methods that are "self-enforcing" like speed bumps, curb extensions and special markings.
The DOT is taking applications and the Park Slope Civic Council is hosting a meeting today to seek the community's opinions about if Park Slope is the right place for a Neighborhood Slow Zone.
The event is co-sponsored by P.S. 10, Councilmembers Letitia James, Brad Lander and Stephen Levin, and neighborhood organizations like Prospect Heights Neighborhood Development Council, Park Slope Parents, Parents Association of Millennium Brooklyn High School, and Park Slope Neighbors.
The meeting is today at Congregation Beth Elohim on Garfield Place at Eighth Avenue at 11:45 a.m.
For more information on slow zone, please visit the Park Slope Civic Council website.
If you can't make the meeting (or even if you can) make sure to vote in the poll below!
Chicken Underwear
6:44 am on Saturday, January 21, 2012
How about a now horn zone?
Frank Freitag
9:27 am on Saturday, January 21, 2012
I agree with last comment. How about a NO HORN BLOWING law that would stop the car service drivers from thinking they have a god given right to disturb the peace at 2am. They all have cell phones. Why can't they just call their customer and let them know the car has arrived?
Why does the whole block have to know?
Eric McClure
11:07 am on Saturday, January 21, 2012
+1
Peter Kaufman
2:39 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012
It already is the law that horn-blowing is a violation for anything but danger. .but I bet that city-wide, there were less than 1 dozen tickets written for that all of last year.
Parksloper
12:21 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012
Agree and include car alarms that go off at the drop of a hat.
Charlotte
1:19 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012
Yes. With a 30 mph speed limit cars go 40 or more down my street. Make it 20 and maybe they'll do 30. A win for safety and a step in the right direction. Getting the 78th to target drivers as much as theydo bikes would also help. Cars need to slow down and drivers need to realize that these are residential streets, not speedways.
Peter Petino Active Transport
8:39 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012
This is just another method of DOT trying to cause more confusion concerning traffic for everyone driving, biking and walking. Think about this- bumps in the road or frequent red lights are really the only things that will help to slow down traffic. There are bumps in the road on third street between 4th and 5th ave, as for myself I must slow down. Signs will not help - no driver will get a speeding ticket because it will deemed a speed trap and will present conflict and more problems. The finest way to determine if there is to be this slow down zone is if there are reported accidents within the area. Did anyone get hurt- were,when, once a year or once in 4 years. Now you are saying if there is an accident once a year in a particular area - then we need not spend time and money with debate - it should be done automatically.
Mike
1:51 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012
It is all meaningless unless the laws enacted are enforced. I think the standard response will be "we have more important things to do than worry about horn honking." A person on my staff whose car was hit and totalled by a h&r driver, was told by the officers, who showed up 45 minutes later, that they would not pursue the case because there was no fatality involved.
Peter Petino Active Transport
8:40 pm on Saturday, January 21, 2012
DOT so called public out reach is not helpful because it does not address the problems directly. You need to know that if New Yorkers would take a driving test ninety four percent would fail. This is true.
Now put signs bumps and give tickets where? To streets that may not have any incidents. Instead tell the DOT to invest in smooth roads so drivers and bikes do not have to swerve to avoid pot holes thus causing a problem. Instead tell the DOT to start education programs that are mandatory for traffic offenders of any kind. Instead tell the DOT to make sure street lights are timed correctly so terrific will stop more often near schools and daycare centers. Finally tell the DOT to give pedestrian fines for crossing the street for tweeting or surfing on a smart phone while crossing. Go for a better Park Slope not a better Park Slope Band Aid.Oh and a better New York too.
Peter Petino
Brenda
12:02 pm on Sunday, January 22, 2012
You guys are right. We should wait until someone does before doing anything about dangerous driving.
Brenda
12:02 pm on Sunday, January 22, 2012
dies
Chicken Underwear
6:47 am on Monday, January 23, 2012
This is an opportunity for US to literally draw a line around OUR neighborhood and tell people to slow down and stop driving aggressively, WE live here.
Erika
5:23 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
YES YES YES! We need drivers to obey the law. If the NYPD won't do its job, then we need to design the streets so drivers will slow down.
guy2
11:21 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
LB,
Agreed. On Bergen St, drivers can now see the count-down clock as they approach 4th ave and they gun it to make the light. Not good for children, pets or insomniacs.
Peter Petino Active Transport
3:27 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012
No No No! The DOT needs to time the lights better. The system needs to be updated and you need to tell them. Buy the way are you a driver or a walker? If you are a walker do you answer a phone when crossing the street? What law applies to people like that?????
Chicken Underwear
3:31 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012
Timing the lights just means that people will speed from light to light. We need to let people know that our children live here.
The #1 cause of death for OUR CHILDREN age 1 12 is getting hit by cars
http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/downloads/pdf/ip/ip-nyc-inj-child-fatality-report.pdf
Every neighborhood should be a Slow Zone.
guy2
12:01 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
reply to Peter Q:
I'm a walker and a driver. and no, I don't talk on my phone while crossing. there's simply no reason why cars (and trucks and buses and very large trucks) should be given a countdown signal and an incentive to race down a residential block. there's already a sign about honking but I've never seen anyone get a ticket (and the 78th is only 3 blocks away). nothing else has worked so i'm up for the slow zone idea...
guy2
Paul T
12:51 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
As a pedestrian, I never talk on my phone as I cross the street. Why? Because I know all of the speeding drivers are on theirs.
Yes to slow zones.
Peter Petino Active Transport
2:20 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
The slow zones do not make sense at all - ask the DOT for better enforcment and more education which should be manditory for all -even walkers.
Peter Petino Active Transport
8:10 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
IT seems there are less deaths of childern here than anywher in the country NOW WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE -They will not make the slope whole Slope a 20mile zone - I also said they should tell you where the real problums are. 1. Between 2001 and 2009, the overall death rate for children aged one to 12 years old was 30% lower in New York City (NYC) than in the United States as a whole (between 2001 and 2007). Fewer injury deaths in NYC explain this difference.
• The injury-related death rate among children in NYC was less than half the national rate (4 deaths per 100,000 compared with 8.7 deaths per 100,000).
• The injury death rate due to accidents (also called unintentional injury) was two and a half times higher nationally than in NYC (7.1 deaths per 100,000 compared with 2.7 deaths per 100,000). This is mostly due to the difference in transportation deaths: 3.6 deaths per 100,000 children nationally compared with 1.2 deaths per 100,000 children in NYC.
Chicken Underwear
8:20 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
I don't really care about the rest of the country. MY children walk to school in Brooklyn.
Gretchen
9:19 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
Also, educating pedestrians? Good luck on that.
Peter Petino Active Transport
8:25 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
I am asking you to tell the DOT to do the job they should be doing. 1. All schools should have signs and or bumps in the road. 2. streets should not have large pot holes fixed 3. streets should have secure man hole covers. 4. All sewer holes should be secure and not have cracks so someone could fall. 5. all lights should be times for slow passage though the slope. Like 7th ave is - (I will avoid driving 7th ave if I am in a hurry). Finally education - remember 94 to 97 percent of all drivers will fail a standard written drivers test. Oh wait education for bikes and now walkers too.
Jonah
8:31 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012
Huh? How do cracks in sewer holes cause people to speed and run red lights? What on earth are you talking about.
Drivers treat every street in Park Slope and all of Brooklyn like it's their own personal speedway. If NYPD won't do their JOBS then we need better street design so it's impossible to speed. Drivers can't be trusted to obey the law and the 30 mph speed limit on their own. Please make every street a slow zone.
Gretchen
9:11 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
Peter, are you a traffic engineer? You come off as awfully ignorant on this subject. Perhaps you are letting a personal objection get in the way of sound reasoning.
1. The reason traffic-related deaths are lower in NYC than in the rest of the country is because of the infrequent use of cars as a primary means of transportation among NYC residents. Children in Atlanta or Los Angeles are more likely to die in car accidents because they spend more time in cars. Children in NYC are typically taken around via subway or bus, which are statistically very safe. But traffic injuries are still the LEADING cause of death in kids age 1 - 12 here. That's unacceptable.
You might as well argue that children are perfectly safe walking on the BQE because there have been no pedestrian deaths there in the last year. Comparing NYC to other cities is apples to oranges.
2. The DOT is not an enforcement agency. We can not "ask the DOT for better enforcement." Many people in the neighborhood have been asking the NYPD for better enforcement to no avail.
3. Even if NYPD was interested in greater enforcement, the department has limited manpower, and we can not realistically expect them to be everywhere at once.
Gretchen
9:15 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
4. Education is up to the state DMV. They set licensing requirements.
5. Light timing does not work. Drivers merely accelerate to catch lights and often run red lights in the process.
6. Signs don't work. The speed limit is 30 mph and there are signs everywhere saying that. If signs were effective, we wouldn't need slow zones. (Signs are a small part of the Slow Zone proposal.)
7. DOT has already conducted major education campaigns in the past year. "Don't be a Jerk" for cyclists and "That's Why It's 30" for drivers. Were they effective? I still see drivers speeding and some cyclists acting like jerks. Yes, there will be an education campaign with a slow zone, but I wouldn't put too many eggs in that basket.
The rest of your ideas - don't fix potholes! - sound loony. Is there a huge problem with manhole covers no one has reported?
Peter Petino Active Transport
10:49 pm on Saturday, January 28, 2012
Gretchen I did say - if a driver takes a written test there is a 94 to 97 percent he or she will fail the test. The education I am taking about would be mandatory for drivers,cyclists and walkers who break the law.
The commercials are not what I call education. This in fact should be brought to the attention of the DOT-mandatory education (class type) is the answer. Besides I heard they can only deem five streets of a slow zone. As far as the avenue is concerned there are no slow zones - 7th ave has lights that are timed so far apart from each other it is difficult and useless to try to speed up. I avoid 7th ave every time I am in a hurry. By the way for the record Gerechen are you a driver, cyclists or a walker.
Chicken Underwear
4:31 pm on Monday, January 30, 2012
"The education I am taking about would be mandatory for drivers,cyclists and walkers who break the law."
I was just getting to digesting this.
How would these mandatory education programs work. Would they be an online thing or more like summer school.
Evan
7:46 am on Sunday, January 29, 2012
Peter, slow zones can be done in five-block increments; they are not limiting them to just five streets per neighborhood. Theoretically there is nothing stopping a community from piecing together multiple five-block sections to create a larger 20 mph zone.
Prospect Heights is hoping to cover most of the neighborhood, for example.
http://phndc.org/content/phndc-request-neighborhood-slow-zone-prospect-heights
Peter Petino Active Transport
10:59 pm on Monday, January 30, 2012
Hi Chicken I am not sure - I think a class for 1 hour with a test would work. Right know you have to go to court to protest a ticket no matter what mode of travel -- haveing a class would bring you up to speed, at least for what your infraction was for. Thanks for your thoughts in this matter.