POLL: Residential Parking Permits for Brooklyn?
City Council is moving forward on a proposal that would allow neighborhoods to opt to preserve street parking for their own cars.
The idea of resident-only parking is not new—it's already in place in Hoboken, Chicago and other cities.
But it hasn't been instituted in New York City (other than in a few privately owned neighborhoods, such as Forest Hills Gardens in Queens).
This week the city council moved forward with a proposal to allow officials to institute residential parking permits on a neighborhood-by-neighborhood basis, though it still needs to go to Albany for state approval.
Those pushing for it (such as those living near Atlantic Yards) say it's badly needed, not only by residents bracing for the flood of cars expected to arrive when the Barclays Center opens next fall, but also by neighborhoods across the city that serve as parking lots for commuters who hop the train to Manhattan.
But those against it feel equally passionate, saying the permits would be just another tax instituted by the city, that the “park and ride” problem would just move to the next neighborhood over, and that permits would make it difficult for people to drive to visit friends or run errands in other parts of their borough.
What do you think?
Chicken Underwear
3:33 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011
This is great. I will finally be find a spot near my home in the middle of the day!!!!
Peter Petino Active Transport
10:21 pm on Saturday, November 5, 2011
Firstly- no one once mentioned that the Atlantic Stadium has the most public railways to get there than any other Stadium in the NYS. Secondly having private parking permits will further show a separation for the haves and the have not's which we do not need in this city. peter
Janet
3:35 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011
I have not voted because none of these three choices is in agreement with my view: those of us who, because we live in a mass-transit rich area do not own cars, will find it impossible to park our occasional rental cars on our own streets, and it will be impossible for people who drive to visit us. This is yet another privilege, even if there is a fee involved, afforded car-owners who, if they want a guarantee of a spot, should be renting a garage space and not expecting to park nearby on city property.
Larry
3:48 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011
I agree with Janet
Amy Sara Clark
10:00 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011
Janet, before reading your comment I tweaked c, because I think the previous answer for c was a little confusing. So your view is partially represented now, but not completely.
loren
3:45 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011
I'd assume that certain number of spaces would be for the public so the argument about people who don't live here not being able to park probably isn't justified. I've lived in Park Slope forever and parking has been and always will be the biggest negative to living here. Having residential permits would totally enhance the experience of being in this neighborhood. I don't know how it will work, will they charge residents a tax? A fee for the space? No doubt, since the city would never give up that revenue of tickets, especially in the Slope! But it's a great idea, it just needs to be fair for everyone ...
rick
5:50 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011
Even with a permit your still not guaranteed a parking spot. A certain section on the street will be for permit parking from what Ive read its 80 percent the other 20 for non permit holders. So lets say there are 100 families on your street and 75 of them own cars several of you will still be driving around looking for parking spots.
Larry
3:50 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011
People should get rid of their cars and if they want to park someplace let them do so on private property. Why should the public domain be used - free of charge - by people to store their personal property?
Permit
4:32 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011
And if people are having visitors in town, there should be a way to pay for an overnight pass. Many other cities do this. It would help all sides, allowing for visitors, but ending the ridiculous practice of giving away city real estate to people for storing private property.
Amy Sara Clark
10:01 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011
Other cities do allow residents to get temporary passes for visitors. I've done this in both Boston and Alexandria, and I believe Hoboken allows it as well.
rick
5:43 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011
If they do this it should be all neighborhood not select ones. Also what is going to stop someone from parking in an area designated for permit parking only. Most of these venues are from 7pm and on, even if they will be issued tickets for parking in permit areas how many traffic agents do u see out after 7pm issuing tickets...
loren
5:54 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011
What "privater property"? I can count on one hand the number of private driveway/garages there are in the Slope and other brownstone neighborhoods. Get rid of our cars? It would be one space per household, and that's a restriction. It's worked in other high congestion areas, it could definitely work here.
Mike Lanseer
6:06 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011
Parking spaces should go to the people who own property and pay taxes, water and sewer bills in the area if it comes to this.
Amy Sara Clark
10:02 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011
But don't renters indirectly pay all those bills through their rent?
Brooklyner
2:46 pm on Friday, November 4, 2011
I hate to tell you this but renters pay far more in taxes than owners do considering, a) they far outnumber owners and b) what do you think the money from rent goes toward? It goes towards property taxes, water and heat and building upkeep.
Peter Petino Active Transport
10:27 pm on Saturday, November 5, 2011
To Mike you are what a have's soud like - what happens when the have not's speake out in this city - well I would not want your spot. If you want to have a place for your car you should not have moved in. It is plan as day to me
Luke Jackson
7:47 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011
This has worked in Hoboken for years without a problem. My cousins lived there and we would visit (without a resident permit) and my father always found a spot even if it might have taken a while. I think this is a much needed permit for the communities that we are talking about here.
Amy Sara Clark
11:50 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011
I agree it seems to work well in Hoboken (I used to work there and if I drove I usually found a spot without having to go to a garage). But the difference there is that 50% of the spots were short-term visitor parking (4 hours or less). In the NYC proposal it would only be 20%. But perhaps that's enough.
Natalie Musumeci
8:32 am on Friday, November 4, 2011
I wonder what would happen if a residence decided to go away for the week with their car. Is that person's personal parking space just not going to be occupied for a week?
Amy Sara Clark
9:52 am on Friday, November 4, 2011
Hi Natalie, People don't get specific or even guaranteed spaces. Basically signs would go up saying that if you don't have the permit, you can't park there. Those who opt to buy (for between $20 and $100 per year most likely) a permit would then compete with each other for the spots. But they wouldn't be competing with commuters. See the details here: http://patch.com/A-nzjP
Jetta Disco
9:04 am on Friday, November 4, 2011
I lived in San Francisco where the parking situation was just as bad. Here is what they are doing to resolve the problem for residents and this works just fine. http://www.sfmta.com/cms/pperm/13442.html
Joe Gonzalez
9:20 am on Friday, November 4, 2011
Any discussion of residential parking permits must include a discussion of how & why is it that Houses of Worship (HOW) have posted traffic signs that permanently ban parking in front of these buildings 24/7? This perk is unfair & deprives residents of much needed parking space. Removing this unfair perk could free up one hundred or more parking spaces in Green Hill.
Chris
9:44 am on Friday, November 4, 2011
The streets are indeed public property owned by the whole of New York City. Our city government can decide who gets to use those streets. The recent ruling would give priority to residents over commuters and visitors. There will likely be some option for temporary passes for visitors to residential addresses within the zone. There should also be some accommodation for local ZipCars and the like since we typically have to load and unload from the streets.
I don't think the city should allow car owners to park their private property on our public city streets for free. However, I do agree that priority should be given to those residents that pay property taxes in the vicinity. (Renters are included in this through their rents.)
This system doesn't let them park for free. Residents have to purchase passes. The money from the passes goes to the MTA. (I would prefer for it to go to NYC Transit and not the wasteful MTA general fund.) Fines from violations go to the City's general fund (like all other parking violations.)
The city should specifically target enforcement during game times. I would much rather have the city "tax" Nets fans than fire more teachers.
-Chris
Peter Petino Active Transport
8:54 pm on Tuesday, November 22, 2011
Whom will decide? So you pay all these taxes for owning property here and you think you should be the one to purchase and get a permit. Not so I say. No way - why would anyone who loves to drive buy here without a place put your car? Because this is a city and you can go anywhere within it on public transportation. You do not here all this talk from people who live in Manhattan do you! So lets all stand up and say I will let this go for now - until I can find a real place to park - like a garage.
julianne
12:20 pm on Friday, November 4, 2011
More money, more taxes, more tickets.... IS EVERYONE CRAZY!!
It's difficult enough being a car owner and we pay, pay, pay- more regulation-less money in our pockets- I ASSURE YOU.
Those in the Barkley can park their car in the huge ATLANTIC LOT next to the facility.
Donald Shoup
2:46 pm on Friday, November 4, 2011
Julianne, I can assure you that everyone without a car is subsidizing those with one since everyone's taxes go to road upkeep. (Last I checked, I was unable to find the box on my IRS forms that say, "Check here if you do not own a car and want a smaller percentage of your tax dollars to go towards roads and bridge repair.)
Gas taxes and registration fees have been shown to hardly cover half of all the expenses associated with driving. In fact, if you had to pay the full cost of driving, you probably wouldn't be able to afford it.
Public streets are public places - one should not have the right to store private property there. You should no more be able to store your $15,000 (or $5,000 or $50,000, or whatever) car on the street for free then I should be able to store my couch and boxes of books out there for free, even if I agree to move everyone once in a while so the street can be cleaned.
The only people who are crazy are drivers, who expect to be able to get New York City real estate for free! Want to put your steel box on streets we all use? Pay for it.
Parksloper
5:30 pm on Saturday, November 5, 2011
And everyone without a kid is subsidizing those with kids in more ways than one. Want to have a kid, pay for it yourself. Public streets are subsidized by taxes, tolls that we car owners pay, its not free. Bike owners are the free loaders. No gas tax, no registration fee. You pay nothing to be able to ride around and terrorize pedestrians.
tom murphy
3:14 pm on Wednesday, November 16, 2011
I hope this comment was vetted and this is from the real Donald Shoup. If so, That's fine; if not, then it is a fraud.
That said please note Dr. Shoup clearly says an "owner should not be able to store [a] car for free". He does not say to rule it out. He just see value in it and a price can be applied, and should be where there is commercial demand. RPP can only enhance this systwm.
Brooklyner
2:55 pm on Friday, November 4, 2011
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet, but this would cut down on people who live in the neighborhood but are committing insurance fraud by registering their car to an address not in Brooklyn. There are quite a few cars with out of state plates that are parked year round on the same block. I suspect that some of these people probably would forgo owning a car if they had to pay the full price of car insurance.
Nancy Carpenter
11:45 am on Tuesday, November 22, 2011
I totally agree about the cars that are not registered in and/or not paying Brooklyn insurance rates. I have been living in the Slope for 25 years, own my home, pay real estate taxes, pay water and sewer tax, etc. Yet I have to circle sometimes for an hour to find a spot prior to an alternate side parking day. I counted six PA and NJ cars on my block alone several years ago and those same cars are still and always there. I am 100% in favor of the RPPs. I just don't think the cost should be exhorbitant. The rules surrounding them are what matter most - being a resident, having your car registered and insured in NY and paying for the permit.
Chris
3:18 pm on Friday, November 4, 2011
if a parking space in the neighborhood costs say $250 a month (i really have no idea.) then that's $3,000 per year. considering that street spots are outside, subject to weather and storm damage, potential vandalism, accidents, etc. and that they're not guaranteed, a much lower price would be reasonable.
further considering that the city might want to provide more "affordable" parking for our residents that /need/ (can't do italics in the comment section.) to drive for various reasons, a rate of $200 is very reasonable for the city to charge to store private property on the streets.
i think the city should pay special attention to car sharing programs and other situations where people only use a car periodically--such as borrowing a friend's car. it would be great to be able to buy a temporary pass for X number of days where one writes in the date and displays the permit on the dashboard. traffic cops would just have to check that the date has been marked.
-chris
Donald Shoup
4:45 pm on Friday, November 4, 2011
Chris, a parking permit in Hoboken is $15 per year. In Boston, it's free. In DC, I believe it's between $35 and $50 per year.
You can park in a garage for $250 - $400 a month and even outdoor private lots can charge as much, showing you just how undervalued on street parking is.
I think businesses, such as the auto body shops that leave wrecked cars on the street forever, ought to pay market rate for parking.
Michael Brown
4:54 pm on Friday, November 4, 2011
I find it hard to believe that this is actually Donald Shoup, but if so, baller.
Jorge
9:36 pm on Friday, November 4, 2011
Count me in as absolutely for residential parking permits. You'd be surprised at how quickly your tune changes as to parking several blocks away (or even using your car versus taking the train) when you become a parent. The Slope should continue to serve as a model for family-friendly neighborhoods, and giving priority to its residents with parking should be part of that.
Peter Petino Active Transport
11:32 pm on Wednesday, November 16, 2011
Jorge-who said family friendly should include parking? It without mention that you did choose to live in an area that has a parking problem. Now you want to call having parking family friendly. Would you say that if you moved to Manhattan? Well make believe Park Slope in now called Manhattan Slope. What will you say now about your choice of where to live? The streets are public if you want parking buy a space in a lot or move.
Joanna Smith
12:03 pm on Saturday, November 5, 2011
The main benefit of RPP's is that they have been proven to reduce the amount of vehicles driving around looking for free parking. Since NYPD is unwilling/underfunded/incapable of enforcing moving violations in our city, and the streets are basically lawless, this reduction in vehicle volume will make us all more safe.
loren
12:19 pm on Saturday, November 5, 2011
I applaud anyone opting NOT to own a car in the city; but don't condemn those who do either. Business needs, family needs and just transportation to get out on the weekend are reasons to own a car. It is sheer TORTURE finding a space near your home in the Slope. It severely impacts quality of life here. Ask anyone what is the major beef with this neighborhood and I guarantee most will say the parking. Is it so unreasonable that people who live here get a permit to park here? Don't forget the 30 minutes driving around looking for a space on a day when it's tight uses up fuel and impacts the environment.
And, if you don't OWN a car, why do you care??
Parksloper
5:37 pm on Saturday, November 5, 2011
They believe they have the right to tell others how to live their lives. All of this free parking on public property real estate crap is from the transportation alternative nazi's who believe in their small minds that everyone should be riding a bike and nobody should own a car.
Here's hoping we have one hell of a winter.
Anthony
1:03 am on Sunday, November 6, 2011
I agree with you, Loren. But in these parts, most, not all, who ride a bike feel the need to condemn those who choose to own a car. And the reason why you choose to own a car doesn't matter to those who judge. To them, owning a car is evil. It's a problem to the community. Well, good for you if you want to ride a bike. I NEED to own a car and I will continue to do so.
BTW, stay in your damn bike lanes.
Michael Brown
1:16 am on Sunday, November 6, 2011
It is not economic crap re: street use and pricing. Here's the solution to both non-drivers' and drivers' gripes: auction the permits off.
I bet you'll see a lot less support for parking permits if people had to pay with money, rather than time, to park.
tom murphy
3:21 pm on Wednesday, November 16, 2011
People who don't own a car have a name: PASSENGERS!
Mike Lanseer
11:30 pm on Saturday, November 5, 2011
There sure are a lot of have-nots parking their cars in all the public housing projects everywhere around the five boroughs. Talk about free parking, free rent, free gas and electric. What a turn around in society. If you have something, it must be because you are an elitist and you are taking from society. If people want to come into the area either by public transportation or by private car I think that's wonderful. Fifth Ave used to be a waste land. It's great that people want to come into the area. More people more business, better safety, better neighborhoods. Some in this x-generation seem to be worried about their own privileges above all others.
The auto industry employs countless numbers of people all across the USA. Most have- nots would love to become haves. Education and a work ethic sure helps. In Europe bike riders have licenses plates and follow the rules of the road. To be fair, just leave the system as it should be, first come, first park. Do your really want more government regulation??
Jorge
10:52 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
We don't need this faux-libertarian stuff on here. This has nothing to do with who is able to own a vehicle in less fortunate areas or government regulation. This is about the limited parking spaces in this neighborhood going to people actually pay rent or own property here and not potential arena traffic.
I was down on the LES this weekend and, for the first time ever in my life, actually drove down there. Those municipal lots down there really are amazing. For those who'd be shut out by permit parking, wouldn't it be nice to have more city municipal lots and less private lots?
Um no
9:31 am on Monday, November 7, 2011
Bike riders are not licensed in Europe. Copenhagen and Amsterdam have huge cycling rates and neither city licenses cyclists.
loren
9:58 am on Sunday, November 6, 2011
I do have a logistical question ... how would this work? Are there enough spaces to accomodate homeowners with cars and tenants with cars? Would it be a battle to find a space on your own block even with a sticker? I live off the park and in the summer, the battle for spaces is ridiculous. Just wondering ...
Jorge
10:57 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
I can only say that, on my block, most of the residents know each other and know who each other's car looks like. We know what a car that's been left on the block by an outsider looks like, or what belongs to someone who parked nearby because of the subway station on the corner. We'd be rid of those, which would make things a bit easier for sure.
Anthony
11:16 pm on Sunday, November 6, 2011
I have a question for you Michael Brownie. Why do you reply to my post with something that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said? You reply to my post talking about auctioning off permits when I'm talking about people on here who condemn those that choose to own cars. One has nothing to do with the other. Stop trying to be too smart for your own good.
Michael Brown
9:04 am on Monday, November 7, 2011
If you look, you'll see that my reply was to Parksloper's comments regarding his thoughts on the economics of street pricing, not your comments on drivers and bikers condemning one another. For some reason, you can not reply to replies on Patch's system, just to the original comment.
Um no
9:33 am on Monday, November 7, 2011
Car drivers must stay in their own damn car lanes. I see far too many of them parking on sidewalks, in no standing zones, in bike lanes, in hydrant spaces...they need to earn the respect they say they want if they want privileges.
rick
11:59 am on Monday, November 7, 2011
You are still not guarenteed a parking spot on the street you live on with the permits. Its going to be an 80 20 split on parking and since most of the people in the slope leave their cars home and take the train parking is still going to be scarce.
Um no
12:03 pm on Monday, November 7, 2011
It's a math game. The average lot in Park Slope is about 1.25 car lengths long, but most buildings have multiple apartments in them. My building is one old brownstone carved up into eight apartments. It's simply not possible for every person who owns a car to find parking on his block or even in his immediate neighborhood.
Drivers are in for a rude awakening if they think that residential permits will somehow guarantee them a parking space.
If parking is scarce, we should do what we do with other limited resources...charge for it! I really need to eat, but I don't expect free food. Why does anyone expect free parking, other than because it's been free in the past?
Peter Petino Active Transport
11:56 pm on Wednesday, November 16, 2011
Um - your so called parking resource is a public street. Who is to say who should buy the parking spot you. When your public street becomes private it should cost a lot and other cars should not drive on your private street. You do not understand you choose to live here with public streets I may add - why change the game now. That will implicate that every area in the entire city that has a problem with parking should go private. Hello Knock Knock - If you wanted parking why did you choose the Slope. You live here you deal with the problems. If you do not like - move.
Michael Brown
10:24 am on Thursday, November 17, 2011
Peter -
A public street, on which the benefit of storing private property on is conveyed ONLY to those citizens who choose to own a private automobile.