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An Open Letter to CB6 on the PPW Bike Lane

The attorney for Neighbors for Better Bike Lanes and Seniors for Safety pens an open letter to Community Board 6.

 

Dear Messrs Hammerman and Kummer:

I represent Neighbors for Better Bike Lanes and Seniors for Safety.  My clients ask that you read the following at tonight's meeting.

As you know, the current bike lane configuration on Prospect Park West is very rare.  Only one other lane like it in the City exists, and that lane does not border a public park.

For this reason, the Department of Transportation ("DOT") promised this community (and this Community Board) a rigorous study.  DOT's study was anything but rigorous. Our expert witness - who actually looked through all the data - highlighted many problems with DOT's data collection and analysis, not the least of which was DOT's decision to hide the trend line for crashes and injuries.  When the expert examined the data, he found that crashes and injuries were falling precipitously until the installation of the bike lane - and then spiked after its installation.

DOT has failed to explain, let alone justify, why it decided not to present all the data at the meeting on January 20.  DOT failed to explain, let alone justify, why it used "averaged" pre-installation numbers, which hid the actual trend.  Even if it believed averaging was appropriate, do you think it was an accident that DOT did not plot the data, describe the trend, and explain why they used an "average"?  Of course it was no mistake. DOT withheld the data until after the meeting for a single purpose: DOT did not want to be challenged about the obvious and troubling impact of the bike lane on the numbers.

This is consistent with DOT's decision to enlist an individual (the "Blogger") to wage a viral campaign against critics of the PPW configuration, many of whom support bike lanes generally, including on Prospect Park West.  You have seen the emails yourself. There is no dispute about what happened: DOT said "counterattack" and “neutralize."  The Blogger responded by posting blog commentary (directly and through intermediaries) containing the most unseemly and inappropriate attacks, some of which were anti-senior citizen in word and spirit. Having read the blogs, DOT found them "quite enjoyable."  The Blogger then promised to continue to "smack [critics] down hard."

Is this Community Board prepared to tolerate this conduct from public officials, with whom it has regular dealings and on whom it relies?  The Community Board has remained silent, which suggests the Board has determined (without any public discussion) DOT need not be called to account for this action.  The silence suggests that the Community Board has determined (without any public discussion) that DOT's conduct does not have bearing on the reliability of the data these same officials put out to the community.

If the Community Board has, in fact, made such conclusions, my clients believe the conclusions are inconsistent with the greater public good. 

As you know, I wrote earlier this week to try to have a meaningful discussion about the other alternatives to the current bike-lane configuration on PPW, of which there are several.  We have heard nothing from you.  Again, this inaction is inconsistent with the greater public good. 

We hope you appreciate the following: my clients are not alone in our outrage over DOT's data manipulation.  Editorials in the Daily News and NY Post have decried DOT's data manipulations in other contexts.  Indeed, many people believe it is modus operandi for the DOT. Even today, NYU published data suggesting that DOT's bike count information is woefully unreliable.  Not surprisingly, DOT is resisting our efforts to obtain more documents through the Freedom of Information process.  Again, the contradictions and opacity should concern the Community Board.

At some later point, CB6's actions, and inaction, will be judged against a broader context, including the evident problems with DOT's data.  We hope the Board makes the right decision tonight by deferring any vote until after a full and meaningful discussion about alternative configurations, which will include more pointed questions for DOT about the various decisions it made to "sell" a dangerous bike lane to your community.

Very truly yours,

Jim Walden
On behalf of Neighbors for Better Bike Lanes and Seniors for Safety

The Community Board 6 General Board met on Wednesday evening. This letter was not read aloud at the meeting.


Emma

6:54 pm on Wednesday, April 13, 2011

I eagerly await the day that Jim Walden gets disbarred for his blatant abuse of the pro bono requirements. Disgusting. He sullies the names of good lawyers everywhere.

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Chris

11:10 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

As someone who considers himself a good attorney, I second this. Unfortunately, Mr. Walden stands as much of a chance of getting disbarred as I do of becoming a U.S. Supreme Court Justice.

I hate when attorneys write hyperbolic letters/complaints to be viewed by the public; it actually dilutes your legal argument in my opinion and smacks of pandering.

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Park Lover

6:34 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

I can't imagine why everyone insists on attacking the 'people' who are criticizing the bike lane instead of addressing 'the facts' that are being brought to light. I guess it's harder to criticize facts. It's as if you don't care that the DOT is lying to everyone and that we are all less safe as long as YOU like the current bike lane and get to keep it. Does somebody have to end up dead before we'll believe the data which show empirically that accidents and injuries have gone up?

Michael

8:17 pm on Wednesday, April 13, 2011

"At some later point, CB6's actions, and inaction, will be judged against a broader context, including the evident problems with DOT's data."

Is he threatening the community board?

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Park Lover

6:37 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

Michael: I hope your silly comment made you feel better. But how does it help us get closer to a safer bike lane? The critics' facts speak to the issues. Maybe you should too.

The Blogger

9:14 pm on Wednesday, April 13, 2011

At some later point Jim Walden's words and actions will also be judged against a broader context, including his apparent willingness to lie and behave unethically, his personal political ambitions, and his attempt to kill a project that makes kids and seniors safer, is overwhelmingly supported in our community and has properly undergone years of democratic process to come to fruition.

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Park Lover

6:44 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

If it's unethical to shed light on a city agencies' lying, violating their own rules and ethics and then working with zealots to 'attack' the critics, then we could all use a few more 'unethical' people fighting city hall. Why don't you address the data that clearly demonstrate that we are LESS SAFE and that the DOT is aggressively working to mislead us on the facts. THE FACTS, not YOUR opinion or wish for what the facts might be. The fact IS that the DOT's data clearly show that injuries and accidents SPIKED after installation of the bike lane. How can you, and why would you, ethically speaking, choose to ignore the facts? Does that make Jim Walden unethical? I think it makes you an ostrich.

Mark

9:24 pm on Wednesday, April 13, 2011

I don't notice any of the above "attackers" proving that Jim Walden's problems with the DOT data are inaccurate or exaggerated. Just ad hominem attacks by zealots. How surprising!

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David

9:33 pm on Wednesday, April 13, 2011

Mark,

At some point, people should be able to shout down an attacker like Jim Walden and NBBL. They want nothing more than to remove a project that has wide community support and that is a proven safety success.

Jim Walden's problems with the DOT's data are inaccurate and exaggerated.

http://www.streetsblog.org/2011/03/17/ppw-plaintiffs-cherrypicked-data-to-attack-dots-bike-lane-evaluation/

I'm not a zealot, just a parent who knows that crossing two lanes of traffic with my daughter in tow is easier and safer than crossing three. Even if I have to stop to look both ways across a bike lane.

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Park Lover

6:51 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

"Shout down"? You mean as in, "Four legs good, two legs better"? I have two grandchildren who use the park and the surrounding areas everyday and I am absolutely more worried about them since the bike lane was installed because of all the traffic that's now been jammed into two, narrower, lanes and are taking out their frustrations by cutting in and out, honking, and stomping on their accelerators to try and get to the next red light. There are so many sensible alternatives. Oh, but wait a sec... the DOT pronounced 'success'. Even though the DATA show that accidents and injuries have gone UP since it was installed. Oh, dear. Well, that's just some crooked attorney's take. I'm sure the DOT didn't mean it when they hid that inconvenient fact. And I'm sure you have your kids best interest at heart when you choose to ignore it.

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Chicken Underwear

7:12 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

@ Park Lover

You should not worry more about your grandchildren. I cross PPW about 5 times a week. There is less honking, less cutting in and out and less frustration. Two lanes work much better than three because they allow traffic to move steadier.

camerontw

10:46 pm on Wednesday, April 13, 2011

Congratulations on Jim Walden for uncovering this conspiracy. For a long time now, I thought that this was just an overwhelming number of disconnected local residents who for diverse reasons actively support the PPW bikelane by passing comment in a variety of media whenever a privileged minority exploits their wealth and power to subvert sensible urban planning. Now I see that the 700 people who rode on the weekend in support of the bikelane are in fact being orchestrated by the DOT via internet thingamajigs . But surely Jim Walden needs to do more pro bono investigating. Some very intelligent conservatives last year revealed that support for biking is in fact part of a global conspiracy being orchestrated by the UN through its ICLEI agents. Communism is not far around the corner. And we are all old enough to remember that threat.

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Park Lover

6:58 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

While that makes for fun reading and it is excellent punditry - do you also have a TV spot? -- can we get to the facts? Has anyone who supports the current bike lane configuration even considered that they or one of their own loved ones might just get knocked down, injured, or worse, because of this blind willingness to accept a factually proven LESS SAFE alternative just because it fits so nicely into the current agenda for increased bike infrastructure? How naive are we? NOT EVERYTHING THE BIKE LOBBY SUPPORTS has to be dogma. They can make mistakes too. Can't we just look at the safety data and go from there? If we need to improve it, can't we?

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Park Lover

11:38 am on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Chicken Underwear: "Two lanes work much better than three because they allow traffic to move steadier." Gimme a break - that's not even logical gymnastics, it's plain dumb. How are two lanes 'better' and HOW do they make traffic 'steadier'???????????????????????????????? All they do is force the same number of cars into a bottleneck at the beginning of the street (where I live) which then spend the next three blocks trying to bust out, get around double-parked cars and trucks, endangering anyone near the street. I don't know where YOU cross PPW but where I cross it's like being in Naples (and I'm not talkin' Florida). Traffic has absolutely NOT slowed down at the north end of the Avenue.... except during rush hour when it's now bumper to bumper from Union to Garfield.

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Chicken Underwear

1:02 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Yes, steadier. Three lanes leads to weaving and everybody races to each read light.

and I cross PPW at Carroll Street and I have noticed that there is less speeding traffic and that it is only bumper to bumper when someone is double parked.

Lawrence Gulotta

11:25 pm on Wednesday, April 13, 2011

"Some very intelligent conservatives last year revealed that support for biking is in fact part of a global conspiracy being orchestrated by the UN through its ICLEI agents. Communism is not far around the corner. And we are all old enough to remember that threat."

You will be known by the friends you keep, Jim Walden, Esq.

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Chicken Underwear

6:43 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

I think the invasion of Iraq was based on lies. Can I get Jim Walden to represent me for free and sue the government to undo the war.

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Mark

7:03 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

I've walked young children across streets. The lights along PPW are long enough to manage to walk a young child across 3 traffic lanes, especially if one waits for the beginning of a green light. If your child walks so that this presents a real challenge, then I would assume that said child is young and small enough to pick up and carry across the street.

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Chicken Underwear

7:30 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Now a parent does not have to carry their child.

David

7:11 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Feel free to come babysit for me, Mark.

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Mark

7:24 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

I would, David, but I didn't MAKE the little one. I'm not a big believer in that whole "it takes a village" thing.

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Neil Zwillinger

8:21 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

cant expect credibility when you use the ny post editorial staff as a reference....bottom line is that the bike lane works, families are using it, hard to ride with a six year old in the park when there are bicycle clusters flying by at fifty mph..embrace the changes or you get run over...

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Mark

8:27 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Sometimes the Post staff knows what they are talking about and, apparently, so does Walden's analysts. There are several lanes in the park for bikers to use. Shouldn't you be able to keep right to avoid the onslaught of biking hordes? It appears that you are using the bike for recreation and that's what parks are for, not the city streets. You can't possibly be riding alongside your 6 year old in the PPW bike lanes since they are too narrow for this. Or, the PPW lanes are so little used that they really aren't needed anyway.

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Neil Zwillinger

8:49 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

there are tons of parents riding with their kids behind them...these kids are growing up with bike lanes, using bikes to get around the city, hopefully the bike lanes will continue to grow and the coming generations will use their polluting cars less and less...and as for the post, the last time they were right about anything was before murdoch bought them

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chuck

11:02 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

So which is it, Mark? "Hordes of bikers" using the lane that make it dangerous? Or your claim that "no one uses the bike lane?"

You NIMBY NBBLrs are constantly caught in that lie. And all reasonable people -- including CB6 -- see through this frivolous lawsuit.

C:

Victoria

8:38 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

What is the real issue here with the PPW bike lane? Is it safety, is it inconvenience, or is incorrect date being given to the community?? OR is it simply change? Even if incorrect data was given... does that really matter in the big picture of things. As someone who drives a car and rides a bike, I rarely use PPW. Cars drive to fast and tend to go in and out of lanes to get ahead and catch the lights, which is dangerous for other cars, bicyclists and pedestrians. Park Slope has more cyclists, kids and delivery people, why not give them their own space to hopefully ride safely. I've noticed that many people have commented on the safety issues around the bike lane. I'm curious... since the bike lane was put in, have there even been any accidents involving pedestrians or cyclists?

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Park Lover

7:07 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

Finally!!! Bless Victoria for asking the right questions. It's all of those things. But my axe is the issue of SAFETY. And the answer to your safety question is an absolute, "YES". (I assume you care about the safety of drivers, too?) After and impressive drop in accidents and injuries in the two years prior to the installation of the new bike lane (due to DOT's modification of traffic light timing), in the months SINCE the new bike lane was installed, there has been a definite spike in accidents and injuries on Prospect Park West. Anyone from the advocates of this config. care to comment?

Jim

9:36 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Has anyone figured out why Jim Walden would take this silly case on a pro-bono basis? What is his angle?

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Park Lover

7:08 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

Safety? Public integrity?

Kevin Beers

9:47 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

"Even if incorrect data was given.... does that matter?" Yes Victoria it does. It's not a smart idea to justify the government using "incorrect" data to determine a policy. If your government is lying to you do you really think that is a good precedent to establish? Where does it stop? This time it might suit your interests but maybe not so much in future cases. I'm thinking of things like WMD and the war in Iraq. I'm not saying these statistics are incorrect, I'm saying open the books have transparency and let's see. All that Mr Walden is asking for is that the DOT bring forward all of their data collection and analysis for public viewing. The predictable response here is that you people attack him and demand he be shut up and then you follow with what you think are clever absurdist remarks, things alluding to government conspiracies, communism and the war in Iraq. While you think they are clever they are incredibly juvenile and just trivialize your argument. If you are so sure that the bike lane has improved safety then I would think you would welcome having all the data laid out for public perusal. If the studies prove your argument then the issue would be settled once and for all. As it is your attacks on Mr Walden give credence to his charge that there has been a concerted effort between the DOT and the bloggers to "counter attack and neutralize" the bike lane's opponents. As Louis Brandeis said "Sunlight is the greatest disinfectant".

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Tyler

10:10 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Kevin - that is not what Walden and his clients want. They don't want the data, they want the removal of an amenity that was asked for and is supported by the the community. Simple as that.

None of the arguments against the bike lane hold water. The lawsuit pretends to be based on the data and a supposed conspiracy... but it's not. It's about CHANGE and how scary it is. The street is easier to cross. The bicycle lane requires someone to look both way (the horror!) and have basic awareness of themselves and others. Traffic is *noticeably* slower. Cars weave in and out, jockeying for position less. Congestion is NOT problematic -- no matter how much you exaggerate the reality.

Should honking and double-parking laws be enforced? Sure. Illegal activity is not "caused" by the bike lane. Are minor improvements (already approved by CB6 and planned) going to make a good thing even better. Sure thing.

Unfortunately, for the bike lane opponents... the DOT data is fully available. It's not incorrect. And the truth is that if it were presented slightly differently (even though what Walden suggests is counter to state and federal standard methods), it actually doesn't change the picture much at all. Not even CLOSE to suggest the bike lane isn't successful and a valued amenity.

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Park Lover

7:15 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

Go Kevin. Come on, Tyler - I don't want the removal of the 'amenity'. I just want to know I can get my grand kids in and out of my car on either side of PPW without getting killed by some frustrated nut who is speeding, cutting in and out, or stuck in a bottleneck. Not only are there fewer lanes, but the remaining two are so narrow the cars are now terrifyingly close to parked cars, esp. on the right. I would love to see the bike lane stay, modified to accommodate the needs of the community - all of the community. Oh, and the data also show that this 'traffic calming' success is also apparently bogus... if you average the speed data (which the DOT did not do, even though they say you should), speeds along the park seem to have dropped by a whopping 1 mph. I feel so much safer knowing the DOT has my grand kids and my safety as their number one goal.

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Chicken Underwear

7:19 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

The two lanes on PPW are the same with an any other lanes on most streets in NYC.

PPW has been modified to accommodate the needs of the community - most of the community. Just not you.

You and you grandchildren are safer, whether you understand that or not.

Kevin Beers

9:54 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

#Jim- here's crazy notion- maybe he thinks government should be open and transparent. I saw that he is also involved in a pro bono case attempting to stop the city from giving over the tobacco warehouse at Brooklyn Bridge Park which is part of a public park to a private interest, St Ann's Warehouse theater. If the city gets its' way it will be giving a public space to private enterprise. (Boy he is conniving isn't he?)

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Jim

1:00 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

So he picks a baseless lawsuit against a popular bike lane as his avenue to support open government? I don't think so.

Tyler

10:11 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

This angle... "the current bike lane configuration on PPW is very rare" is just strange. It is very rare IN NEW YORK CITY. But not elsewhere. Why is it that folks in NYC can't handle it? Seriously?

We're that "exceptional" (and not in a good way) that we can't possibly navigate a separated, two-way bike lane??

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Park Lover

7:24 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

Maybe - if the DOT had done what they promised to do, and conduct a 'thorough study'... but they chose political expediency over safety. That won't mean much to a dead kid.

Kevin Beers

10:17 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Tyler- he has asked here for the facts to be presented before a judge so that the statistics are made transparent. If they are indeed correct then there isn't much of an argument to be made against the lane. So why keep fighting that? Let a judge decide. And yet you say it shouldn't be brought to court at the same time you hold up what you call the facts to defend it. Do you not see the dissonance there? All I say is have an open debate in an impartial court. Why is that so unacceptable?

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Tyler

10:22 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

I never said a court can't decide this... I just view this as frivolous and anti-social behavior on the part of the euphemistically named "Neighbors for Better Bike Lanes" and "Seniors for Safety."

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Chris

11:26 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Kevin,

His letter is written to the community board, so how is he asking that 'the facts be presented before a judge?' This letter sounds much like a closing argument one would make in court, so why not just wait until that time to argue the alleged merits, especially when these groups already filed a lawsuit? Plus, its just a rehash of what was alleged in the complaint anyway, which is publicly available, so its redundant.

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Park Lover

7:28 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

I don't think being upset because the DOT is lying, or because my grand kids are less safe as a result, is "frivolous" or "antisocial". I think supporting a project that was not executed to make sure we are at least as safe as we were before and then trying squelch criticism is anti-social.

Neil Zwillinger

10:28 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

tyler, you totally nailed this....the people who started this group have nothing better to do than attempt to slow progress....there are so many positive and green reasons for more bike lanes like this one...we need to thank the regressive ppw residents who started this whole thing for their concern, get on our bikes, and move on..

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Park Lover

7:34 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

And if the courts decide against us reactionaries, we will get back in our wheel chairs, turn on the O-2 and sit on PPW hoping that it's not one of yours kids or loved ones that just got knocked down by a car....or a bike. I had, in 17 years living on the park, never seen an accident until the bike lane was installed. In that last 7 months, I've seen six. But maybe I just wasn't paying attention before because I was too busy listening to Rush Limbaugh tell me where the commies were.

Tyler

10:34 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Again... HOW exactly is this bike lane "dangerous"?! I really can't get past this. Where does one find this conclusion in any data, DOT or otherwise?

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Park Lover

7:36 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

It's NOT the bike lane that's dangerous. It's the impact on the traffic which has led to MORE accidents and injuries because the reduced traffic 'flow' makes people drive like bigger idiots than usual. It's not the bikers' fault. It just is what it is. Can't we work together to make it safer?

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Chicken Underwear

7:39 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

Yes, we can all agree that the double parking. We need more loading zones.

Kevin Beers

10:55 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Tyler and Neil, You go off on all these other things. What Mr Walden called for is a court to give an impartial decision based on all the clearly presented information. Tyler you say "I never said a court can't decide this" (and I than you for that permission) so then that takes care of what Mr Walden asked for. So why is it necessary to demonize him?

And Tyler, "how exactly is the bike lane dangerous? You folks have said it makes things safer. That is the whole rationale for this. Let's take it to court and see. Simple. And if you really have a convincing case you don't need to resort to name calling and accusations as to motives. It really comes across as rather juvenile.

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Tyler

11:15 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Kevin -- I respectfully disagree. Yes, you are correct. The courts *can* be a final arbiter for such things.

HOWEVER, a lawsuit brought against a decision originating in the community and enjoying broad-based, continuing support by that community... that's anti-social behavior and frivolous. Such cases should not find their way to court. It is the role of the community to set the standards and norms -- AND tell those who exceed those norms that they are wrong and their actions are unwanted.

If there is anyone who is being juvenile, it is the NIMBY folks represented by Walder -- Louise Hainline, Lois Carswell (the irony of her name is not lost on me), Iris Weinshal, et al. -- who have decided that there *should* be a bike lane, but not on *their* street. This is the heart of the matter. Not exaggerated and baseless safety claims, not supposed withholding of data, etc.

Why does a case have to be convincing in court?! Why can't the anti-social behavior of NBBL and SFS be pointed at and called shameful?

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Park Lover

7:37 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

And if that community support is based on lies and misrepresentations that make everyone LESS safe? Is it still ok, Tyler?

Kevin Beers

11:24 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Tyler-I will repeat once again- the bike lane was justified by the notion that it would increase safety on PPW. That is what everyone cites in arguments on this and other websites. If the decision was based on distorted statistics that is a very bad precedent to accede to even if it suits your personal desires. And it seems that there is evidence that that may be the case. And while it is always mentioned that there were community board meetings leading to this decision I am pretty well informed regarding goings on in the neighborhood I wasn't aware of any of this until just before the DOT went into action painting the streets. Might it be that the pro bike folks initiaited the action and kept themselves well informed of meetings etc through your blogs and networks? Something that the rest of us were not privvy to? And Tyler there is certainly no monopoly of "anti-social behavior" on the NBBL side. Why is it shameful to disagree with you? Maybe a little tolerance is in order.

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Tyler

11:43 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

If this is such a straightforward issue that will be... What's with Walden's fairly intense PR campaign? Walden, Hainline and SFS have all published several pieces in the press (even after filing their lawsuit). Why was this open letter sent to CB6 and made available to the press?

Why can't they just wait until May when the courts will hear their strong case to have the bike lane removed?

This is what is shameful. They continue to basically spread propaganda stating that their neighbors are in support of harming senior citizens and destroying the quality of life of Park Slope.... This propaganda serving a very narrow (and selfish) end has a huge potential for harm in the greater discourse of "complete streets" and livable communities.

And to be clear, they are not disagreeing with *me* -- they are disagreeing with the majority of their neighbors.

Pete

11:29 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Grinches are supposed to steal Christmas and not bike lanes.

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Mark

11:49 am on Thursday, April 14, 2011

I agree with you, Kevin Beers. It seems, though, that the bike lobby does not want an open disclosure of data. They simply want their way based upon selected data and DOT conclusions. They base their case on the arguments and prejudice of Sadik-Khan who, as you may remember, could have declared a state of emergency when the snowstorms hit in December, but decided to let havoc prevail on our streets instead. (Who also directed the limited DOT resources to hand shovel bike lanes in Manhattan while Brooklyn, Queens, and SI streets were still clogged by snow and a variety of abandoned vehicles.)

I suggest you reread my post, chuck. What I stated was, "You can't possibly be riding alongside your 6 year old in the PPW bike lanes since they are too narrow for this. Or, the PPW lanes are so little used that they really aren't needed anyway." Cyclists should not be riding two abreast in a single direction on the PPW lanes since they are really only wide enough for one cyclist to ride safely. If the poster is riding alongside his child, then he is in the lane designated for the opposite direction. If they are riding single file on PPW, then they could easily do that inside the park itself, despite the "hordes" of cyclists of whom the father assures us he and his son need to be afraid.

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Tyler

12:16 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Between 9th Street and Grand Army Plaza -- there is exactly ONE entrance to Prospect Park.

During rush hour, the road within the park has two lanes of (very fast moving) automobile traffic and the recreation lanes, also SOUTH-BOUND, are very crowded by joggers and other people exercising.

Mark -- If you remember, it was not clear at the time if it was the DOT Commissioner's job to declare a snow emergency. That was one of the major contributing factors of the problems we experienced. It wasn't clear which officials had the authority and/or duty -- DOT, NYPD, FDNY, Sanitation, etc. etc. And why the emergency response plan was reviewed and significantly revised.

Don't get all black-and-white about this issue. Not all of us buy this NY Post crap.

Kevin Beers

12:09 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Tyler Tyler Tyler, you just don't seem to like transparency. Mr Walden wrote this letter to explain what the nature of this case is and why he is bringing it. I think it's unfair to characterize it as propaganda. And why shouldn't this opinion and this information be disseminated to our neighbors so they can have an educated view of the debate? You seem to want to control the nature of the discussion and present only what serves your interest. What would you call that? Propaganda?

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Tyler

12:18 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

But you said it wasn't a debate? It was something that could be argued and decided in court.

Kevin Beers

12:26 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Now you're just getting silly. Shouldn't the public be informed of issues being debated in a court case?

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Tyler

12:32 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

There's nothing secret! The DOT has provided CB6 and everyone else the data. The policymakers have made decisions. The NBBL and SFS didn't like the decision, so they have mounted a huge PR campaign with a high-profile lawsuit (that I'm sure they know they will lose) to get more press.

http://www.streetsblog.org/2011/03/17/ppw-plaintiffs-cherrypicked-data-to-attack-dots-bike-lane-evaluation/

Kevin Beers

12:27 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

You really do like a veil of secrecy.

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Paul

12:42 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

As a resident of Park Slope I was completely surprised by the appearance of the bike lanes, merits aside, and even more surprised when I read that this was an issue that was widely (paraphrase) discussed prior to the Community Board's approval. I, like many of my neighbors, was unaware the bike lanes were being contemplated.

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camerontw

12:45 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Dear People Who Support Infrastructures that Support Alternatives to Cars,
We really need to admit that the game is up. Our conspiratorial "veil of secrecy" has been exposed. The forces of transparency that are using litigation to take debate out of the fora of elected representatives have laid our conspiracies bare. Kevin couldn't have been clearer: "Might it be that the pro bike folks initiated the action and kept themselves well informed of meetings etc through your blogs and networks? Something that the rest of us were not privvy to?" He knows about our communication tools now! I felt for sure that he and his wealthy colleagues with pro bono lawyers would never discover the way in which people who are concerned about these issues independently use the remarkably hard-to-access World Wide Web, powered by that highly exclusive club, Twitter. 'We,' who have had so much in common beyond the fact that we like to ride without fear (as opposed to those good folk who have almost no direct relation to former DOT commissioners) must now come clean. Let's put an end to this ridiculous comment trail. They know. They know that we know that they know (that it has all been caught on a Louise's camera - 'it' being that we are all Sadik-Kahn's cousins, and that we all started The Tea Party to cast doubt on global warming to prevent regulatory measures that would have limited extreme weather events like the snow storm, just so that New York could be thrown into a car drivers' nightmare.)

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Kevin Beers

1:01 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Cameron you are so so droll, a regular Jonathan Swift. But thanks to Tyler for illustrating an example of just exactly the kind of blog that I was speaking of-streetsblog. Your timing couldn't have been more perfect. I wasn't aware of it but I just went on and it's full of pro bike lane stuff. No obviously it wasn't conspiratorial, something that was kept secret from us but rather something that bike zealots knew of and used to disseminate their information. Most of us didn't have the heads up to know what was going on in the community board meetings.

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Jim

1:44 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

The secret CB6 website: http://www.brooklyncb6.org

Kevin - would you like us zealots to give you a heads-up when the community board updates this website? Can we give you a ride to the meetings on the back of our bikes?

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Steve

1:47 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

The CB6 agenda is posted online for all to see. You can even download the agenda as a PDF.

http://www.brooklyncb6.org/calendar/

Park Slope Patch has also posted notices about meetings. Other websites, too.

You can't fault "bike zealots" for knowing about something and using the Internet to spread information about it. That technology is available equally to everyone. NBBL has an email list and Facebook group that they use to get people out to meetings, even if they could only muster 11 people to speak against the bike lane at the last one.

Also, the PPW fight has been going on for a year, the process to install it for much longer. Anyone who hates it and wants it gone has had plenty of chances to follow and participate if they wanted to.

Democracy requires participation, not complaining.

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Tyler

2:07 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Really Kevin?! You're going with "How would I ever learned about the many public meetings?" Really?

If these meetings (both CB6 and the various community groups/organizations) were empty, I'd say you had something. However, since they have been well-attended for the last 5+ years.... I don't know what to say. Do you really think the 700+ folks (mostly families) that showed up for the "parade" on Sunday were Bike Zealots?! This was an event that was announced about 5 days before it happened... and 700+ neighbors showed up to express their support of the PPW bike lane.

Are they all part of the secret society? Pretty big secret society, eh?

Mark

1:52 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Tyler, Sadik-Khan is a take charge woman who makes things happen virtually overnight. The DOT commissioner is the one who had the authority to declare a state of emergency even before our emperor's recent delineation of the change of command. That Sadik-Khan chose not to exercise her authority is indicative of her lack of concern for vehicular transportation when it does not involve her pet projects.

As to the lanes in PP, I doubt whether there are many parents taking their toddlers out for bike rides during rush hour. Many parents actually work during those times. I certainly agree that riding with kids in the park with cars zipping by is unwise. I haven't noticed that the recreation lanes in PP are so terribly crowded even during rush hour, but perhaps I have just gone there on the wrong days. If people want to ride at any hour of the day with no interference by cars, then perhaps PS is not the ideal residential area for them. Suburbia might be more appropriate ... but there are very few designated bike lanes there, aside from inside parks.

As to the data itself, it appears that the DOT has cherry-picked and massaged it to draw the conclusions that favor its own goals. Walden's letter states that his experts have analyzed the raw data and that they show problems with the DOT's "interpretation." Surely everyone should want to have ACCURATE information.

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Steve

2:05 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

During rush hour, I drop my child off via bike at Poly Prep school on PPW. I live in Windsor Terrace, so the bike lane is the safest and most efficient way for me to take her there. Going in the park would have me traveling against traffic very far out of my way. There's also no clear exit from the park near the school that's good for bikes.

As for cherry-picking the data, isn't it an attorney's job to find people who will cherry pick data?

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Tyler

2:15 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Mark -- Clearly you see the roads (that we all pay for) are for cars alone. That's fine. I don't think this is an appropriate attitude to have in a city as dense as ours, with car ownership below half... but nothing is going to shift you. You want nothing to change, even if it actually improves the experience of motorists. There's no point.

You do know that gas taxes and other automotive tolls and fees pay for barely 50% of the costs of the roads, right? You know that your neighbors with no cars or choose not to drive subsidize you? Right? That all of us pay for your (and my) free on-street parking?

Is it really all that much to ask to create space on the roadways for others... ya know, the others that pay for the roads?

(by the way, have you actually looked at the raw data and the DOT analysis? Where did you get this idea that it "appears that the DOT has cherry-picked and massaged it"?? They followed state and federal guidelines...)

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Tyler

2:24 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Also, you know these "pet projects" --- like the pedestrian zone in Time Square... Guess what? It was a huge success! Didn't destroy traffic, actually helped traffic flow. (Same with the closing of traffic lanes on the north side of Union Square) And look! The air quality in Time Square improve DRAMATICALLY and the air quality in the surrounding area stayed the same, or improved slightly!

http://www.nyc.gov/portal/site/nycgov/menuitem.c0935b9a57bb4ef3daf2f1c701c789a0/index.jsp?pageID=mayor_press_release&catID=1194&doc_name=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyc.gov%2Fhtml%2Fom%2Fhtml%2F2011a%2Fpr120-11.html&cc=unused1978&rc=1194&ndi=1

Or should these data not be trusted either?

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pat

3:17 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

"If people want to drive their cars at any hour of the day with no concern for cyclists, joggers, or pedestrians, then perhaps PS is not the ideal residential area for them. Suburbia might be more appropriate"

camerontw

1:54 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Oh, look, sorry, I totally understand now. Those who think the bikelane is dangerous just didn't know how to use Google, or how to read a local newspaper, so they missed all the consultations. That's absolutely reasonable. And I 100% agree: anyone who maintains a website to share an interest is clearly a zealot. So, come on, let's let the cars run down the bike lane again and do the whole thing over. We could even run some empirical tests this time: get some older people and kids to try to cross PPW with 3 lanes of traffic, and then, if they made it the first time, let's get them to try it again with a bike lane. Let's get Sadik-Kahn herself to be one of the road-crossers: that would be fun! Let's make a day of it, with hot dogs and balloons. That's what democracy is all about - not this litigious web zealotry.

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lisa

2:35 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Anyone who uses PPW on a regular basis does not need any data to see that the bike lane has slowed traffic and that it is an enhancement that we should all embrace: It promotes a healthier lifestyle, and cuts our reliance on cars. I don't find it a burden to look both ways, and when do so, there is no danger. I don't have to ride a bike (and I rarely do) to see the benefits of this to our entire community. I've been to many community meetings on this and the majority of those opposed to it live on PPW. Change can be hard, but it is time to look beyond our own front doors to the community at large.

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Mark

3:53 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Like it or not, PPW is a wide street and wide streets were generally planned to move traffic along fairly rapidly as opposed to the narrower side streets and avenues. Vehicular traffic is an essential part of modern life. We're not in Amish country here. I'm not sure that slowing or clogging up traffic is something that everyone would endorse. In case you did not realize it, when cars take 20 minutes to go a given distance, they spew more pollution along that route than they would if they took only 10 minutes. As to the improvement in the air around Times Square, I'm sure the pedestrian mall, which is barely used about half the year, has merely shifted traffic to other streets and further increased the air pollution they experience.

As much as Sadik-Khan wanted to obscure it, the DOT/MTA data showed that bus routes that were affected by the p. mall changes experienced increased trip times. Since one of the goals of MASS transit is to move the many city workers to their destinations, this is not exactly a plus. But isn't it wonderful that some people can sit in the middle of Times Square or Herald Square! I'm really confused about Herald Sq though; isn't there a PARK there with lots of seating?

In any event, Steve, it's not the job of our city agencies to cherry-pick data. We are supposed to have confidence that they are telling us the truth. Did you really appreciate Dubya's WMD rationale? Oh, do you ride your child to school during snow, rain, and cold?

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Tyler

5:56 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

AAAAAAGH!!!!! How dense are you!!? The air quality study (THAT I LINKED) looked at the surrounding area!!! And in my comment above I *specifically said* that air quality in the surrounding area either stayed the same or improved slightly! AAACK! Just saying the opposite doesn't make it true!

Also... What you say is also counter to all contemporary traffic engineering SCIENCE. The bigger the road does not mean the road works better. It's about EFFICIENCY, not square footage! Roads that get "road diets" (like 9th Street) and Ocean Avernue actually flow better! They have defined lanes and left-turn lanes. This means cars get *out of the way* when they need to turn and through traffic doesn't constantly jockey for position etc.

This also what happened in Times Square and Union Square... you remove places to drive and the traffic becomes MORE EFFICIENT. And Prospect Park West?! TRAFFIC DID NOT BECOME MORE CONGESTED. Travel times are the same! Excessive speeds and racing between red lights has been reduced... that's not traffic. That's unsafe, illegal behavior.

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Chicken Underwear

6:59 am on Friday, April 15, 2011

and PPW was to wide. It never had the quantity of cars that 3 lanes of would have warranted. The fact that it was THAT WIDE is a thing called over capacity. It leads to to much lane changing and gave drivers the assumption that it was ok to double park. Three lanes of traffic is good for a road like Ocean Parkway.

and

The DOT did not "cherry-pick data" they used the longest time period available and made an average. That is how it is done.

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Park Lover

11:51 am on Saturday, April 16, 2011

One day was the longest time period available to the DOT to collect the data? Wow, they must have a lot on their plates... ride 'em Janette!!!

brosti

4:17 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

I live on PPW and consider the bike lane a huge improvement. I am grateful to DOT for their good work in this regard. The city-wide reductions in traffic fatalities, particularly over the past 4 years are NOT disputed by anyone, as far as I know. The protests of NBBL seem to me to reflect only the fact that a few folks have plenty of time on their hands to agitate and sulk.

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Joanna Smith

5:03 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

I am really surprised Patch would publish Jim Walden's kooky letter on the PPW bike lane. I actually didn't even read the thing. I stopped where he demands the Chair and District Manager of CB6 read his letter out loud at the Community Board meeting! If he and his clients had attended the meetings they claim never happened on the bike lane, they would know that this is completely out of order for how the Community Board runs. Citizens not on the board don't get a chance to speak unless they sign up for Community Time at the end of the meeting. I think it is wildly inappropriate of him to insist otherwise, and I think Patch made a bad call publishing his rant.

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Brooklyn Dad

7:10 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Like "Mark," Jim Walden and his clients Iris Weinshall, Norman Steisel, Louise Hainline and Lois Carswell know that if they repeat their claims about DOT lying about data enough times in as many p as possible, many people will believe those claims regardless of whether they are true or not.

Anyone who has taken even a cursory look at Walden's claims about DOT data knows that Walden is the one who is "cherry-picking," "fudging," or just straight-up lying about PPW data. More important, this whole question of DOT's data on PPW is really not the main issue. For years, the community has asked DOT to reduce speeding, make pedestrian crossings safer and improve bike access on PPW. Based on last night's unanimous vote at the Community Board, the community believes that DOT's redesign of PPW is accomplishing these goals and that DOT is doing a good job in collaborating with the community to make the project even better. It will take a few years to collect enough data to really know for sure. Walden's yammering about "data" is meant to distract from the fact that the project is working and the community likes it.

I could go into detail about the ways in which Walden has misrepresented DOT data and other facts. Instead, I'll do the same thing Walden does. I'll say: Jim Walden and his clients are fudging the data. They aren't telling the truth. Jim Walden can't be trusted. He is a profoundly bad actor in our community.

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Brooklyn Dad

7:11 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Likewise, I'll second Joanna's comment that I am surprised that Patch would publish this scurrilous garbage. I will, however, save it for my letter to the Brooklyn Bar Association. Jim Walden should be dis-barred.

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brooklynbreeder

8:24 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Messr. Walden, I represent Douchebags for Driving and Mothers Against Aging Hippies and I want to personally applaud your efforts on the behalf of the poor, set upon driver residents of PPW. Bravo. Keep up the good work.

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Park Lover

11:47 am on Saturday, April 16, 2011

We just want to keep your litter safe.

Kevin Beers

8:32 pm on Thursday, April 14, 2011

Brooklyn Dad, what you say seems to me a perfect reason for bringing the matter to court. If Mr Walden is "distributing scurrilous garbage", if he is "misrepresenting DOT data", and not "telling the truth" isn't an impartial court the best place to expose this behavior. Who knows maybe the judge will disbar him on the spot. I would think you would want that vindication. Or do you want to just keep venting on Patch?
And brooklynbreeder, thanks for keeping classy.

And on it goes.

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Mark

7:45 am on Friday, April 15, 2011

Tyler, the link you gave refers to air quality levels in the city overall and only gives specifics for the Times Square mall area. Of course that are, with traffic removed, has less air pollution. That's a no-brainer. The data cited does not talk specifically about the neighboring streets that are absorbing the former Times Square traffic. Maybe the health dept got this stuff right for that one area, but remember that the air around ground zero was also supposed to be safe to breathe after 9/11; remember how that turned out. If something sounds too good to be true ... it often isn't.

By the way, I don't drive, don't own a car, and have never driven. I use my bike a lot to get around Brooklyn and also mostly use pubic transportation for everything else. I've been doing this for my 40+ years here in Brooklyn. Still, I do realize that it is important to move vehicular traffic quickly and efficiently. I can't believe that you have never seen traffic backups along PPW under this new design. You're never there when people are picking up and dropping off their kids or when deliveries are being made or when access-a-ride vehicles are making pickup and dropoffs.

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Tyler

11:30 am on Friday, April 15, 2011

The graphs in the press release I linked included air quality data from "Time Square", "Midtown Sites", and "Non-Midtown NYC Mean" -- the second (blue diamonds) represents the surrounding area I refer to. Also these are *specific* measures of *specific* pollutants associated with automotive traffic... not the more complicated 9/11 pollutants... that was just sloppy sampling done in a rushed fashion. The data used for this press release are from air monitoring stations set up around the city.

Also, is there some back ups on PPW now? sure. Were there ALWAYS? Yes. Should the school be asked to (required to) improve their methods for drop-off? YES. Schools all over the place have systems to quickly shuttle children from cars to the door... the parent basically has to stop for 8 seconds. Should the loading zone at the old age home be expanded? YES! Should the Access-a-Ride vans be ticketed if they decide not to actually pull over to the side of the road? YES! Should people be ticketed for honking? YES!

Most of the problems are caused by impatience and rude/illegal behavior. Not the bike lane.

The benefits far outweigh the snags... make tweaks to fix minor problems (already approved by CB6), don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!

Chicken Underwear

7:50 am on Friday, April 15, 2011

Yes there are backups when people double park. Double parking causes backups everywhere. We need more loading zones for that kind of short term convenience free parking.

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Kevin Beers

2:17 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

What is this thing you have with double parking? Did you have some sort of traumatic incident in your childhood where somebody had the family car boxed in? You need to see somebody about it.
(Oh and I think in one comment you missed mentioning it.)

Mark

7:51 am on Friday, April 15, 2011

Kevin Beers, you know as well as I do that the frothing contributors here are really not interested in discovering truth; they just want things THEIR way. Who needs to be bothered with pesky facts and data? Whatever comes out of the mouths of Bloomie and Sadik-Khan MUST be the truth. They would never prevaricate and fudge.

Imagine the audacity of The Patch to publish Jim Walden's letter to the community board! Even if reading the letter to the board is out of order, it took spectacular gall on Walden's part to send a letter to them. Obviously that man should be disbarred.

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Kevin Beers

8:24 am on Friday, April 15, 2011

Yep Mark he is insidious and must be crushed. He is a threat to the American way of life, what with his trying to present a different side to the story. HE MUST BE DIS-BARRED. AND if he gets his way double parking will be rampant, rampant I tell you. I am so tired of the diatribes that are posted here. The same stuff over and over.

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camerontw

9:54 am on Friday, April 15, 2011

It must be frustrating to wake up the next morning to see people are still passionately in favor of something that they think is reasonable. It must be annoying to find that you have to keep posting the same thing over and over, increasing the pageviews of this small local media outlet, because the way you keep accusing everyone else of being a zealot or droll or conspiratorial just seems to have no impact. It must be bewildering to find that those you accuse feel exactly the same way about you.

But you know, that's what democracy feels like. People have differing views, they argue, wherever they can, more or less reasonably, often exaggerating for impact. At some point, the argument manifests as a change to our environment - a bikelane perhaps. And if people go on arguing, those against that change to our environment can organize to get the system to review and remove that change - I believe mayor-aspirant Weiner said at one point he'd rip the bikelanes up.

But what you don't seem to get is that people get really angry, over something as silly as a piece of bitumen painted green, when a few wealthy people decide to circumvent that system. Your neighbors feel really threatened when a few privileged people can ask a top quality lawyer friend of theirs like the PR-whizz-kid, Jim Walden, to do them a favor. Do I have access to someone who could write a cease and desists letter to bloggers, to front community boards that I can't be bothered attending? I don't even own a bike.

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Mark

11:54 am on Friday, April 15, 2011

camerontw, perhaps you do not have access to a lawyer of Walden's quality ... but you do have a VERY powerful traffic commissioner and a know-it-all billionaire mayor on your side as well as a very large contingent of zealot cyclists (something alternatives??), so please don't play the injured martyr overwhelmed by vast resources. It must be really frustrating to you that your side can not have whatever you want despite the objections of long time PS residents. As to the "wealthy"people, I doubt whether there are very many PS residents who are poverty-stricken. If they were, we might be finding them living instead in Brownsville or East New York.

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Kevin Beers

12:15 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

And Mark that's not to mention the bike blogger who had an inside line to that guy Russo at DOT who urged him on to attack anti bike lane people as selfish pigs and such. That was information that I believe was brought out by a Freedom of Information request.

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Mark

12:36 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

Yes, Kevin, I'd forgotten about that. it's a shame how a few misguided, selfish, fabulously wealthy souls want to force their will on EVERYBODY else. Maybe those old fogies should be taken out back and shot.

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Mark

8:29 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

Tyler, there is a big difference between "Times Sq" and "midtown sites." Which midtown sites are we talking about? Times Sq is a specific, relatively small area and midtown sites could be anywhere. That's one example of what I mean by cherry picking data.
But, if it supports YOUR point of view, then of course it must be accurate.

As to 9/11, that reference was to remind you that the government does not always give a full picture if that would conflict with their point of view. Sorry that my point went over your head.

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Peter

9:15 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

Mark, it's pretty funny that you accuse Tyler of "if it supports YOUR point of view, then of course it must be accurate." Since you don't like the published results, clearly the data must be biased/flawed/tweaked.

Note that to date, despite the Sturm und Drang that Walden and NBBL have trotted out about the DOT rigging the numbers, the fact remains that the DOT followed published standards and practices for aggregating and analyzing data. Put NBBL/SFS's lawsuit in front of any statistician, and they'd laugh it out the door. They haven't accused DOT of falsifying the numbers, they claim the analysis is flawed. Yet the analysis is the same analysis they do everywhere else, as does every other DOT around the country.

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Tyler

11:04 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

ARE YOU SERIOUS?! My god man. There are 150 air monitoring stations located in the city.

Those charts... they are the SAME MONITORING SITES over time. You do know how that works, right?

The midtown sites before the traffic change, then the SAME midtown sites after the traffic change. Same with the Times Square monitoring.

Have you decided you will not believe ANY information handed to you? Really? Uggh.

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Tyler

11:07 pm on Friday, April 15, 2011

And I understood the 9/11 comment. And I pointed out that the folks that said it was safe did sloppy work. Systematic, long-term air quality studies are hardly even close to the same thing. You are showing yourself as more and more ridiculous with every belligerent, paranoid comment you make.

Yes, put on your tin foil hat. The government is coming to kill your children.

Mark

6:15 am on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Tyler, I believe that you STILL do not understand. If you average out the pollution standards for 150 sites (CITYwide) , you will not see peaking on individual streets. Your willingness to accept whatever the city tells you, so long as it agrees with your own viewpoint, merely indicates the limits of your perspicacity. As to belligerence, your comments really are far more indicative of that quality. Peter, a main point of Walden's letter (and NBBL/SFS' argument) is that the data has been pre-digested and summarized, averaged out in a way that supports only Sadik-Khan's prejudices. Walden't letter makes the case that a review of all the RAW data leads to different conclusions. (which spots were picked for averaging; what time periods were used; etc).

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Tyler

9:52 am on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Are you kidding?! Why do you keep making jumps!?!!!?!

There are several air monitors in Times Square. These show a HUGE reduction in NO and NO2 after the change in the traffic pattern.

There are many air monitors in the Midtown area not including Times Sqaure -- i.e., the *surrounding area* -- Do you get this? It's NOT the entire city of 150 monitors. It's the area where the cars are rerouted to. You are only refusing to understand because you are being belligerent.

I don't accept everything the city does, but I generally believe the data they collect.

And, as has been said a million times, the way the DOT has analyzed the data is according to State and Federal methods. The way that all such data is analyzed. ALSO, the argument is still absurd. Using Walden's preferred methods (even though experts disagree this is the correct way), it still shows improvements!! They may not be as dramatic but it definitely does not paint a picture of a "dangerous" bike lane. Quite the opposite!!

Mark

12:19 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, Tyler!
I went back to the city's report and it specifically says, "The Health Department, in partnership with Center for the Biology of Natural Systems at Queens College, City University of New York, is collecting air samples at 150 LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY." (emphasis added) Are you misreading or are you deliberately stating the same invalid argument again and again in attempt to make it seem true? There is nothing at all in the report to indicate that the city deliberately tried to measure pollution on the "new" bus routes or on streets where there has been increased traffic. The fact that they found decreased solution in the times Sq area, when traffic was diverted elsewhere is not exactly surprising.

I'm not sure how you could read, "When the expert examined the data, he found that crashes and injuries were falling precipitously until the installation of the bike lane - and then spiked after its installation" and come to the conclusion that, "Walden's preferred methods ... still shows improvements!!"

Chill, tyler!

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Tyler

12:27 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

THERE ARE THREE LINES on the graphs for the Times Square reconfiguration report! (a) Times Square, (b) Midtown Sites, and (c) THE NON-MIDTOWN CITY AVERAGE. These are subsets of the total number of sampling sites. Is this really that hard to grasp?!

Something happens in (a), and they look at (b) and (c) to see if there is impact. (a) is improved. and (b) and (c) is not really impacted. Get it?!

YES, like I said, there are 150 sampling site around the city. Your emphasis is just stupid. Sorry, it is.

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Tyler

12:36 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Injuries did not "spike" after the installation of the bike lane... that is simply not in the data. It really isn't. It really really really isn't.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/bicyclists/prospectparkwest.shtml

Second PDF -- "with underlying data". The crash data is at at the end. But since you can't even figure out how the air monitoring comparison works... I'm thinking you're not going to be able to make anything of the source data (from the NYPD).

Mark

12:58 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Tyler, I hate to say that you are dense, but....
Where are these "midtown sites"? With the many tall buildings in Manhattan, each street is like a specific mini-climate. How many "midtown sites" are there out of 150 for the ENTIRE CITY and exactly where are they? No specifics means that erroneous or misleading conclusions can easily be drawn.

As to spiking or not spiking, the DOT article to which you link gives some data to support your point, but also shows large increases, year-to-year, in bike crashes for August, September, and )especially) November. Not exactly straightforward. Of course, the DOT "before" data is the average over a 3 year period, so how valid their conclusions are is a matter of debate. I believe this, as well as other questions, is causing Walden, NBBL, and S4S to bring their lawsuit.

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Tyler

1:07 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

What if the monitoring sites were exactly where the traffic was redirected? I still don't think you'd "buy" the results.

If you're as intelligent as I think you may actually be... the "as well as other questions" are the basis of the NBBL/SFS lawsuit. The DOT data is just a trumped up charge to pretend credibility.

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Chicken Underwear

1:09 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

" Of course, the DOT "before" data is the average over a 3 year period, so how valid their conclusions are is a matter of debate."

When comparing data over time one should use the longest periods of time available and use the average.

Mark

1:04 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

No one is questioning the actual working of the monitors. Well, who knows, perhaps someone is, but I am not. However, the link you cite talks about "random" placement of monitors. A relatively small random sample is unlikely to detect differences in SPECIFIC locations, especially when those locations are mini-environments.

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Mark

1:25 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Actually, Chicken, data collected over the longest period of time is not necessarily the best. One could go back a century and average that period. Almost surely, there would be a HUGE percentage increase in crashes when that is the reference period. A year to year comparison, however, might be more valid. I can't tell since the data are not there, but there still remains that pesky 133% increase for November as well as the two other months of fairly large increases.

Tyler, since those other monitoring sites are NOT exactly where the traffic was redirected, your point is moot. One cannot draw firm conclusions based on questionable data just as one does not pave roads over quicksand. The fact that I believe the DOT does whatever it can to obfuscate the situation (many situations, not just Times Sq and PPW) makes me highly dubious of whatever they say. You know, in court, if the judge catches you in a lie your credibility is pretty much shot. Do I and NBBL/S4S/Walden want to see these lanes shot down? Yes, but that does not mean that our arguments are invalid.

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Chicken Underwear

1:27 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Going back 100 years is as unreasonable as only using 6 months.

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Tyler

1:34 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Mark - Why do you want PPW to go away? Really why?

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Park Lover

1:42 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Six months WAS the longest period available for comparison after the lane was put in and they were examining the data. Comparing previous data to six months worth of available data after installation.

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Mark

7:27 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Apparently, Chicken, you do not recognize sarcasm.
I think that the lanes are really unnecessary and part of Bloomie's paternalistic approach to government with Bloomie being the all-knowing father. I would rather live my life without a billionaire overlord. It is perfectly possible to ride bikes southbound along PPW even during rush hours without bike lanes. We're talking PPW here, not Flatbush Ave from GAP to the Manhattan Bridge!

During off-peak hours, there simply is not so much vehicular traffic. I've been down PPW during that time and really, the roads are pretty clear and the northbound avenues are also not very busy. The only problem I've encountered, and in a very limited fashion, is of cars pulling out into the lane I was using. It simply means that you cannot race down PPW without a care. Unfortunately, this is the city, not a country lane. As to the nighttime (discussed by a later poster), during the wee hours there is so little traffic that a blind person could ride PPW unmolested.

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Chicken Underwear

9:59 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

I am really good at sarcasm. and yes it was possible to ride a bike on PPW, but not safe. Now it is better.

Park Lover

2:01 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Who has more to lose? The pro-bike movement or the wealthy, well-connected old people on PPW?

I would like someone who supports the project to acknowledge that it's not perfect and that we ought to be working together to find a way to make sure it's actually is safer out there, not just for bikers and the tots they shamelessly parade at the CB6 meetings, but for everyone.

I agree that we should look for ways to reduce auto use and increase viable alternatives' infrastructure, but how can you be so smug in your assertions that it's safer when the evidence, empirical and anecdotal, suggests otherwise?

What the bikers don't seem to realize that by betting everything on this configuration and being so intransigent about wanting to even consider possibility that it could be made safer, could end up costing them far more than this bike land. If NBBL/SFS lose, they simply go away. But if the bike advocates lose, it's going to cast a long shadow over any future bike lane innovations. Wouldn't it be smarter to consider making this lane more conventional so NBBL and SFS will just go away and we can continue building the infrastructure in other locations around the city? I'm sensing from reading the newspapers that the people who have generally accepted the installation of bike lanes as an immovable object are beginning to realize that they might just be able to push back, and they like it.

Just a thought.

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Tyler

2:17 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

What do you mean by "more conventional"? Do you mean something like an on-street, unprotected lane? Like these? http://nyc.mybikelane.com/

The fact is that improvements and tweaks were approved by CB6 just the other day. You heard about that, right?

Again -- as I stated above. What empirical evidence has shown the bike lane has made the street MORE DANGEROUS? It has reduced the speeds of cars. Fact. The capacity of the road has not been negatively impacted. Fact. On the contrary, it is now a more "complete street" and the overall usage of the roadway has actually *increased*

Do you know who has MOST to lose? The city. Not "bikers," but everyone.

Larger roads (more lanes) does not equal better, more efficient roads. In fact, it's usually the opposite. 9th Street is a great example of this. How you remove two lanes, add a center left-turn lane and the traffic moves BETTER and cars don't continually change lanes, jockey for position, feel they have freedom to drive much too fast, etc. etc. THIS was the primary purpose of the PPW bike lane -- a "road diet" -- this is what the community called for!

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Peter

2:18 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Park Lover,

The alternatives that have been suggested aren't viable.

Returning PPW to a 3-lane configuration, and putting a class II bike lane in its' place fails for the following reasons:

1) It does not solve the problem of rampant speeding, which existed in the previous 3-lane configuration.
2) It does not solve the problem of riding on the sidewalk on PPW, which occurred with great frequency (bike lane would be 1-way, and would not be safe for children to ride on).
3) It does not solve the problem of a lack of a safe northbound route for bicyclists.

A northbound class II bike lane cannot be put on 8th avenue, simply because 8th avenue is not wide enough, and again, drivers are too reckless for that road to be ridden upon safely. Paint stripes do not protect pedestrians or bicyclists.

The so-called "2-way Prospect Park" solution is not workable because:
1) The loop is open to traffic during rush hours.
2) The roadway is too wide to have uncontrolled bi-directional traffic - it would be impossible for pedestrians to cross.
3) The park is closed at night.
4) The park has limited exits. Along PPW, there are only exits at GAP, 3rd street, and 15th street. It is not part of the urban grid, it is a park.

NBBL/SFS have simply *failed* to provide alternatives that work anywhere near as well as the PPW bike lane. And my anecdotal evidence suggests the lane is beautiful, safe, and extremely popular.

Kevin Beers

2:21 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Tyler you need to get out of your room and go for a bike ride.

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Tyler

4:46 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

And shouldn't you be in Maine?

Paula

4:09 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Jim Walden absolutely should be disbarred because of this. I hope a full investigation shows why he chose to take this case pro bono and what political connections he hoped to please. The case has little to no merit, even from the perspective of someone whonis agnostic on the subject of bike lanes.

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Tyler

4:45 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

I don't know if you can be disbarred for doing pro bono work that doesn't fall under the "of limited means" definition of the NYS Bar Association. And he's probably within Gibson Dunn's policy... even though they do state on their website that their committment to pro bono work is "our attorneys have provided access to justice for those who could not otherwise afford it." I guess that's not a requirement, just that they've done it.

However, for the image of his law firm, Jim Walden should not have characterized this as pro bono work. He should have simply called this legal counsel "at a reduced rate" because he feel personally invested or whatever reason he could come up with. Calling this work pro bono (given the nature of his clients) really does harm to the idea of pro bono work.

Kevin Beers

4:51 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Are you a stalker Tyler? That kinda creeps me out.

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Tyler

5:27 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

No, I vaguely recognized your name, so I googled you. You website says you spend your summers away from Brooklyn and all of this paternalistic, anti-community government overreach.

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Mark

7:28 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

That sounds like stalking behavior to me.

Joanna Smith

9:30 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

Okay, stop right now, All. Googling somebody does not constitute stalking. Filing a lawsuit is not the way to solve a neighborhood issue. I think you should all meet up for coffee at Tea Lounge and reaffirm that you are all people who care about the neighborhood...and most essentially, that you are all real flesh & blood humans who shouldn't rely exclusively on this kind of virtual discourse to talk about something very important.

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Paula

10:57 pm on Saturday, April 16, 2011

I agree. Maybe everyone should meet for a walk down Prospect Park West and have a civil conversation and stop this stubbornness.

mjd

9:59 am on Tuesday, April 19, 2011

My wife, my kids and I totally enjoyed our safe ride north on the PPW bike lane to the greenmarket on Sat, then turned into the park for the ride south home where a rude spandexista snapped at my kids for not steering straight even though they were. Would a smile kill you, Lance?

I commend CB6 members and their dedicated, volunteer service to the community. Jim Walden's law firm ought to be ashamed of themselves for letting him take the case pro bono (if it's because of a political relationship, then admit it), and then phoning it in---not bothering to appear in person : "At some later point, CB6's actions, and inaction, will be judged against a broader context, including the evident problems with DOT's data. " This veiled threat is unconscionable.

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